One man’s sin is another man’s Godly right. I think I have found one of the funniest sites on the web. This morning, just for kicks I went to google to see if my blog even showed up in the list. So I entered “word of god” of course my blog was nowhere to be seen! But at the top of the list was a rather interesting site … www.sexinchrist.com It is a site that uses the bible to vindicate everything from Viagra to Anal Sex! While most are very loose interpretations and some even absurd definitions of biblical passages, some seem validated.
At first I thought it was a joke, but after reading a few topics (purely for research purposes) I realized the author is serious. I have always felt that you could use the bible to prove almost any point of view you agreed with, or to disprove the same.
Why would a deity provide you with a guide that left so much room for interpretation? Exactly, he wouldn’t!
I had a discussion with a TBM a while back, I made the statement that the resurrection story could only be found in the bible, which was written years (70+) later. None of the scribes or surviving documents from the actual time of Christ even mention it(or him for that matter). He said “well because God works on Faith, so there is no proof that it happened, because then you would not be able to rely on faith.” Hmm, I thought about that for a while but I can’t seem to understand what the Bible and the BoM are for then. I mean the Bible is referred to as exactly that “the word of God!” telling us the story so we know what to believe. The BoM is a “second witness to the truth that Jesus died for us and was resurrected”. So which is it? Faith or Historical evidence that we should follow? Either we throw out all documented historical evidence, of any form, including the scriptures and go completely on Faith that what our parents have taught us is correct. Or we look at all the evidence and make a logical informed decision on our own, weighing all the evidence available to us. I prefer the later, if your parents tricked you into believing a fat man in a red suit was watching you to get you to behave through the month of December, maybe the conspiracy is a little bigger than that! Maybe?
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1 Please // Apr 10, 2008 at 3:39 pm
You said…”I realized he was serious.”
I don’t know if the author of the site just meant it to be funny, but it is in no way serious–nor can it be used as the example you make. The articles start with maybe one plausible idea and one plausible quote and then from then on purposely twist scripture out of context. This is done to the point that the writer cannot just be interpreting differently. Whether to be funny, insulting, or just mislead people who don’t know the Genesis from Revelation–this guy is purposely using scripture he KNOWS can’t mean what he says it does. It is painfully obvious.
The fact that you can’t see that I think attests to the fact that you need to stop making excuses for why you don’t need something you know nothing about. Make an honest study. Too much depends on it to play games.
2 Please // Apr 10, 2008 at 3:46 pm
Follow up: “I made the statement that the resurrection story could only be found in the bible, which was written years (70+) later.”
Someone told you that and you think you know something. You are basing eternity on that.
It’s right up there with people who claim He never existed.
The Babylonian Talmud verfies the life, miracles, and death of Christ, all written by people who did not believe and claimed his miracles came from the devil. No, they did not include the resurection. If they believed in the resurection, they would have been Christians.
The facts are not as you so comfortably believe.
500 people saw the risen Christ at one time. Maybe you should take a look.
3 admin // Apr 14, 2008 at 8:09 am
“Please”, Again thanks for reading my post. Just as I began searching my beliefs in the LDS Cult, so too do I search the beliefs of others. I never claim to be absolute on any fact. One thing that seems true is that when it comes to religion we all base a lot of our “knowledge” on feelings, and hope. I am however looking for solid verifiable evidence of anything. One thing I do accept is what I think I know today may not be what I think I know tomorrow.
I am aware that Josephus mentioned Jesus, in his writings. But in my opinion he only verifies that he is the brother of James. No miracles, not even much of a stir compared to what he writes about in the rest of the “Antiquities of the Jews”. I just recently found that a Greek version from around 1000ce mentions Jesus sharing his message with Gentiles and also mentions his resurrection. The problem I have with this source is that first of all from the bible itself we see that Jesus really did not share his message with the Gentiles, (pearls before swine, etc etc) that was Saul/Paul that started that, later. Why refer to him as Jesus, I think he would have called him by his name, had he been writing about the people and events of his time. Also if he had really witnessed or believed in the resurrection would he not have given it more than one line in his lengthy writing? Most historians feel this is like a lot of the biblical writings and nothing more than an alteration, or addition when it was written in Greek.
You said, “Someone told you that and you think you know something.” I would have to ask, how do any of us obtain any knowledge of anything? If not from a spoken source then from a written source. Someone passed the knowledge to us. I have read many books, in the last few years on religion, the bible, history, etc, in a search for evidence. As I have said many times, I do not have an absolute knowledge of any historical fact, no one does. But I can make rather informed opinions based on the information at hand. Also in my blog, I stated that “I made the statement”.
Also my statement, “None of the scribes or surviving documents from the actual time of Christ even mention it(or him for that matter).” Still stands, the closest the Talmud gets is to around 200 ce.
When you said “500 people saw the risen Christ at one time. Maybe you should take a look.” were you referring to Paul’s testament? You do realize that Paul was not even there, right?
Look I am not saying I am right, I am simply saying there is a lack of evidence. If you have some please share it with me. Mormons will say it is true simply because it feels good. I will say what I have said many times. If I die and meet God, I would much rather say, “Lord I have spent my whole life searching for you” than I would say something like “Well here I am I did what my parents told me and blindly followed.”
4 admin // Apr 14, 2008 at 8:22 am
“Please”,In response to your second post…
“It is painfully obvious” I agree with you on some of them but if you read through the whole page it seems he is being sincere. In fact that is exactly what my post said. My point was not that he was sincere or not. My point is that the bible is open to interpretation. If you are a Mormon then you believe that the bible proves that Jesus is a separate being than God, if you are a mainstream Christian, then you believe the Bible proves he is the same. Anyone who claims to believe in the bible has seen conflict in meaning, plenty of times.
I do agree that it deserves a great deal of study, and as I have stated I spend much of every day on the subject. I must admit I spend far too much time on the Mormon side of it.
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